Absolutely, the legislation needs to be reviewed. If a 21W bulb fails the unit will flash at a greater rate and again you will see it on the dash Strangely enough these overbright blue, expensive Xenon headlights plagueing the German highways were once permitted without debate! Almost guaranteed to be passed and read into legislation. It cannot be repaired, opened or modified. The regulations are not in-line with current MOT testing guidelines and creates a confusing message for people looking to purchase these products. Please note that since January 2021, the MOT Inspection manual has been updated to include LED bulbs. My jaguar X type uses the very same headlight for both the halogen setup & the factory Zenon setup, and as such are stamped H1 & D2S compliant. The LEDs that we sell are all tested and as long as they are fitted correctly then the beam pattern will be absolutely fine. Technically any product that has an E mark should all be up to the same standard, regardless of the country approval, as they all follow the same rules of the ECE regulation. As an older driver Im very glad that more of the road is lit by an LED beam. some clear explanation about the very ambiguous situation with aftermarket LED bulb upgrades in the UK market. No requirement, (d) A solo motor bicycle and a motor bicycle combination: LED upgrade bulbs cant be classed as road legal because they cannot be E marked or have the British Standard mark. Finally, many thanks for your time and research on this subject. There are no mentions to fail other LED bulbs such as brake lights, tail lights or reversing lights. There is never a guarantee that your vehicle will pass an MOT if you purchase cheap or faulty products so always ensure that you purchase quality branded LED bulbs from reputable sellers. I get the impression that as long as the beam pattern through the projectors is correct I should not have any problems at MOT? They do not need to list type of bulbs that are compliant, such as LEDs etc. I find the blue types annoying and distracting especially someone behind that goes over a bump or hill as you get the impression its the emergency services with the little flashes of blue. The more blinding bright white lights you see coming your way, the more you start to hate the technology. IMO this suggests that future guidelines for LED headlights may also include a color range. Theyve always been classed as not road legal due to aftermarket LEDs not being able to be E Marked. Im amazed that the regulations are so outdated. Perhaps a better way to set the standards is to use metrics that transcend technology. The new MOT guidance came out in January 2021. If not compliant, they are not allowed. As we conclude this article aftermarket LED bulbs arenot road legalaccording to theRoad Vehicles Lighting Regulationsas they are not E marked. In the distance I could see an extremely bright white light shining in my direction. I have found adaptive headlamps cause more problems with blinding on coming traffic. I have fitted LED bulbs all round my 2003 Freelander. The legislation is quite detailed and in-depth so we wont go into it all here. The use of LED bulbs in reflector housing is not only illegal, it is downright dangerous and will invalidate your insurance. 2) The MOT regulations are very clear however that they do not allow the upgrade to the even more powerful Xenon Projector type bulbs without a headlamp leveling system in place. Having done a fair bit of walking along main roads at night I know how uncomfortable and dangerous it is to be stairing into a vehicles oncoming headlights on main beam (you litteraly cant see where you are walking) of vehicles being driven by inconsidderate people, of which there is no shortage unfortunately, I dip my headlights for all road users, driving, riding or walking and so should everyone else. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp. Whilst it goes against Amazons rules, many store owners realised that they can offer discounts and deals in exchange for 5* reviews. The problem would be enforcing these on unscrupulous retailers such as through Ebay which could send them from timbuktu but at the same time the same could be said for any standard halogen bulb as even these may not meet regulations. There is a surprising amount of negative reviews and articles from reputable platforms that are simply misinformed or unaware why there is an issue with their bulb. Im not from UK, and we havent hard regulations for car light. Existing halogen headlamp units should not be converted to be used with HID bulbs. If you fit LED bulbs in a H7 designed unit and have an accident then goodbye insurance cover unless you declare it and they accept the change. 4.1.4 Headlamps Compliance with requirements Sentence changed from Some motorcycles may be fitted with high intensity discharge (HID) headlamps. I am guessing that you can use LED lights as a subsidiary or extras? OK, I understand what you are trying to say, but what you describe is exactly what is wrong with the law. Il leave it there. Should the regulations change they would have to regulate the led replacements so they meet the requirements for road use. There are situations on the roads where you will get dazzled at night and it does not matter what type of headlight is used, this is unavoidable and you will get the beam full in the face, for instance if you appraoch a right hand bend that also drops away as you go through it, any oncoming traffic will be facing up hill and because the vehicles are in a curve, the oncoming vehicles dipped light beam will shine directly across your path and in your eyes choose what, your headlights will do exactly the same to other road users in similar situations, live with it you can do nothing about it, however there is no excuse for being dazzled or dazzleing others when vehicles approach each other on straight roads. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp.. I have a mg zs SUV 2019 love the car but the headlights are terrible especially on rural roads Ive put nightbreakers by osram in as a upgrade but still not adequate. There must be many more. The only option would be to upgrade your sealed LED headlights entirely with another after market set. Because right now there are plenty of good quality LED headlights that generate the correct light pattern, that do not blind oncoming traffic, etc. It would be impossible to know when best to take a chance and turn on to this road. Bikers are doing ALL the work to protect being shunted, drivers just pass a test and off they go, we watch endless youtube videos, go to extra advanced training and always practice to ride better, we should be able to be lit up like christmas trees. With so many 44s and SUVs on the road, there is a greater chance to get caught out with a height difference. The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations states a bulb needs to be E marked, approved or have the correct wattage in order to be road legal. Your M.P. I would rather see everyone (including lawmakers) focus on why is this (il)legal?. Then you need to change your car rather than blind other road users its not their fault you have an old car. 11th January 2021 Led types last longer and use less power so also a bonus. Yes they produce a lot of very bright light, but the do so in an un-useful and dangerous way that cannot be sufficiently controlled. The reason that LED upgrade bulbs cant be E marked is simply because no legislation exists for the use of LED technology in a headlight unit built for halogens. No requirement. ..and therefore your insurance would be invalidated as this would be an unauthorised modifacation. In most modern vehicles, a small dial can be adjusted that raises or lowers the beam pattern of your headlights. Thanks for giving us an update. Regulations regarding lighting and MOTs is a completely different kettle of fish. You can see an example of this very type of car on youtube if you search for vitara headlight dazzle. Furthermore, IT WAS IMPOSIBLE TO WORK OUT THE SPEED it was travelling towards me. Therefore, I believe that legislation needs to be reviewed to remove this problem. I agree completely that bulb quality and the importance of correct installation is paramount. I wonder whether this is still relevant to the UK in post-Brexit times, but it is surely is on the European continent & Ireland. These cheap bulbs might be dangerously bright or throw out the wrong beam pattern that can blind oncoming traffic and get you pulled over by the police. The standard Halogen bulbs on my 2018 Abarth 124 Spider are quite frankly totally inadequate and quite possibly even dangerous, especially on poorly lit roads, wet roads and during inclement weather. Truck Electrics has written a fantastic explanation. 5W and is set to repeat flashing within the legal limits. The LEDs were expensive and good quality and the asymmetric beam pattern was spot on. Just because its clipped in place, it doesnt mean its definitely in correctly. Existing halogen headlamp units should not be converted to be used with HID or LED bulbs. The article confuses the difference between an MOT Test and Type Approval. There are no OEM (factory fitted) LED bulbs that would share the same fitting as a 382. Sometimes the person who has fitted the bulbs has done so incorrectly. They can only be sold as for offroad use only. Are you going to do an article regarding the impact of the government banning the sale of incandescent/halogen bulbs and whether this will affect cars/bikes etc? We are already getting calls from people looking to upgrade them as the light output is inadequate. They are dangerous FULL STOP!. I once decided to walk home via an abandoned rail line at night time specifically to see the wildlife that emerges at night. With a better thought out set of rules, ensuring safety and reliability standards are met, without restricting it to one light technology, should absolutely be possible. Other than this, halogen has had its day ad it was with tungsten and no doubt LED will have a replacement in the future. But for example, stop lamp bulbs are required by law to operate between 15 and 36 watts. But I am not sure about that, they look good with even and accurate pattern on flat ground against a wall. You only focus on is this legal?, which it clearly is not. The aftermarket LED bulbs that are available have only ever been designed to replace their halogen counter parts and without supporting legislation, they cant achieve an E mark. This is typically due to the manual-levelling of the drivers headlight bulbs. Its about time the legislation was brought up to date. Given how slow this government do things, i am thinking by the time cars fly in the sky then they will start to review LED headlights. AT LAST ! What next crossply tyres? I have had not onward flashing of complaints or negative comments otherwise, which is more than I can say for many first market stock LEDs headlights out there on new and other cars and vehicles.The new legislation is seriously out dated and needs to be reviewed revised for modern technologies. There isnt a problem with LED bulbs in reflectors providing the LED is made to the exact design of the halogen bulb (ie. Now imagine the cyclist was a motorbike doing 70mph on a country road and I was an old man in a car just pulled up at a junction ready to turn into this road. The beam can only be shone down the road so far so all its doing is making the light in front of your vehicle brighter up to the same distance a halogen bulb can. New cars have them, so why isnt fine to fit into older cars. But, every country have handless drivers, they cant setup right light with or without led lamps. . Newer models might even have this as standard. But unscrupulous suppliers will claim this too unfortunately. The point about the vast difference between cheap and more reputable / more expensive LEDs is on point! the sooner they are banned the better. The regulations desperately need updating as I believe that it is actually becoming dangerous for the owners of vehicles which have outdated and inadequate lighting systems, dull headlamps and pitiful side lamps with no DRLs. Its interesting. I get really tired of the kind of people who upgrade their headlights to collapsed suns especially when the alignment is totally out, and one is facing utterly in the wrong direction. Also, I think newer led bulbs 3-4 times brighter (by lumens) than ordinary halogen. We believe that the system for car bulbs is vastly outdated. The trouble being they are extremely costly and an even bigger issue is that LED units are sealed, meaning if one bulb goes out you have to replace the whole unit which can cost anywhere between 200 1500 per unit. I know of at least one garage owner who doesnt know about it. They just can not compete with the latest vehicle lighting, which places them at a distinct disadvantage for daytime recognition. Existing halogen headlamp units should not be converted to be used with HID bulbs. Road worthiness is, ultimately, dictated by Type Approval, not by the MOT. Quick Update from some searching (NB Im no lawyer!). Interesting article but you do not appear to understand the reason for the manual headlight adjustment, it is not there to allow the driver to raise the headlight beam it is there to allow the beam to be lowered. The number that follows the H indicates that only a H bulb with the same number can be installed. Lighting up the road better. A proper debate in Parliament is urgently needed. In my humble opinion, these so-called upgrades will never be able to meet the stringent safety requirements of the national and international regulatory bodies! One argument that could be that manufacturers have actually went backwards by making bulb replacement much more difficult at the road side as often parts have to be removed to obtain access and some cases a whole bumper which is ridiculous. As with all lighting technology, the colour and brightness will shift over time. Headlights, indicators, sidelights, fog, reverse all now LED. As we conclude this article aftermarket LED bulbs are not road legal according to the Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations as they are not E marked. Your bulbs and service have been excellent. w5w). I have used led bulbs for a year or two and find that are better for light .I use them on my side lights at the front on my Corsa 2005 it makes a vast difference .I have been stopped by the police but after telling them that are only 3 watts thay let me go .it has just passed its MOT no problems with them in.the police thought it was great on the back number plate .I explained the law and he said he didnt no that and he was now in the in the know .his mate was not chuffed at all.so he went round the car with a fine comb.no prodlem .as a 70 year old ex motor fitter I do know what I am talking about on MOT testing . For nearly every other application on your vehicle, an approval mark is also required. If youre interested in learning more about E marks, then Truck Electrics has written a fantastic explanation.. Written in 1986, there are still many things that need to be changed. Colour and intensity aswell as strict guidelines of manufacturing parameters to make a H 7 halogen equivalents all the same except longer lasting lower power consumption. I have good quality LED bulbs in my reflectors and the beam pattern is excellent. With regards the legalities wuth so few officers patrolling the highways I feel they have more important tasks than checking E standard lighting on vehicles and more importantly is than the vehicles lights operate fully. Benjamin is right. 2022 Copyright Automotive News by ABD.co.uk. Does the guidance apply retrospectively, or only to LEDs fitted after the new guidance was published? I drive an older car with conventional headlights, which are perfectly adequate. My car has LED dipped beams as standard its a 2016 vitara s bought new and at night I was getting flashed quite alot by drivers who must have thought I was on main beam, so I lowered them to prevent people being dazzled, thinking that the lights must have been incorrectly set from the factory I took my car to where I used to work as an M.O.T tester and I set the headlight beams bang on with their test equipment, and once again I started getting flashed at so again I lowered the beams and have left them there, because they are projector headlights I can see exactly where the cut off point is and on a straight road the height of the beam never gets much above an oncoming vehicles wheel arch at the point of passing it. Please tell me (with facts and not your opinion) what is wrong with an LED light that has the right beam pattern and therefore does not blind anyone? The H stands for Halogen meaning the headlight unit has been purposely built for a halogen bulb. Therefore depending on how old the unit is, you may even need to buy 2 units to ensure matching performance from both sides. I am not clear however if the same rules apply to front foglamps and parking lights, the fogs look great and are much improved with LED but what is the testing criteria for MOT, also am I safe with LED parking lights as they too are much improved and are awesome for the Volvo approach car lighting option on a dark night. To date, this stance has not changed. Basically i drive around 4 hours a day and more at weekends. The laws need to change. Sealed LED units might seem like a good option when buying a car or van but consider the costs for the future. Unfortunately not. Great read, thanks for the information. The halogen headlights in my 52 year old MG were upgraded to LEDs in April 2017 by a very reputable classic car restorer. Is it legal to fit LEDs as front parking lights? The only problem they represent is badly level bulbs as far as I an see. This needs to happen. If you place a heavy load in the bed of a pickup or similar vehicle or carry a full compliment of passenegers in a car, the rear of the vehicle will sit down further on its springs, this will cause headlights to tilt upwards slightly raising the headlight beam this is why the manual adjustment exists, so that the driver can then lower the beam thus avoiding dazzleing oncoming traffic. If one bulb goes then the whole headlight will need to be replaced which will likely cost between 500 1000. The led chip is in the same position as the halogen filament within the reflector housing) then the beam pattern will be created properly. Indeed. There are a number of factors that could be at fault: Purchasing cheap bulbs can be dangerous for you and other road users. However in practice, how strict countries uphold their E mark standards varies massively. So, they have to blind, even with good-tuned pattern. It took over 40 years for our much needed ring roadand now the Oil industry work in our area has all but died. The fact they arent CE or kite marked is because if you actually research these types of headlight they are meant to use only one type of fitment and a specific light output with a specific aim. no safe and legal alternative available for the public in terms of LED retrofit bulbs and it does not wish to legalise illegal pseudo retrofits which remains the current situation work is ongoing, however. Any good quality after-market LED bulbs will meet this criteria. If your car does not comply with Type Approval, technically, it is unroadworthy and invalidates your insurance. Its very disappointing to break the news that no upgrades are possible. I think someone needs to set up a petition to the UK parliament to get The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations amended to make the use of LEDs legal on the road (provided they are fitted to a projector housing, not a halogen reflector housing) you never get the right beam pattern in reflector housings and they just blind everyone whilst also giving you a slight benefit over halogens in that housing. It is possible to pass the MOT with upgraded and safe LED lighting installed correctly. Headlight units are manufactured around a specific technology. The legalities become an issue when you change the technology of the bulb so for your example of changing a 382 bulb you would be changing a filament bulb to LED. One issue not dealt with is one of safety. This greatly reduces the actual distance we can see. The The Road Vehicles Lighting Regulations 1989 is based on old technology and doesnt account for newer technologies like LEDs. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp. to Some motorcycles may be fitted with high intensity discharge (HID) or light emitting diode (LED) headlamps. Any idea when the law will be revisited and updated? Under these conditions, and even on side roads in built up areas, oncoming vehicles fitted with LED headlights make visibility dangerously difficult, even when dipped. Therefore you cannot replace the LEDs if one fails like you can with current halogen and HID bulbs. You should drive within the capacity of illumination! Existing halogen headlamp units should not be converted to be used with high intensity discharge (HID) or light emitting diode (LED) bulbs. With no other mention of after-market LEDs in the MOT guidelines, all that is left is for them to check is that the beam pattern is correct and the colour of the light is predominantly white, white with a blue tint or yellow. Aftermarket LED bulbs tend to get the blame a lot on forums, Facebook or blog articles. Passed the MOT no problem at all. They are all bad full stop. One thing failed to mention is insurance. How do LEDs factory fitted ( indicators ) pass if they can not be E rated ?. Now, at first glance this would appear to be a good thing as it gives the IMPRESSION of being super effective. Some store owners will build a product that has amassed 5* reviews and edit the information and imagery to turn it into a new inferior product that is cheaper to manufacture. Projectors designed for HID bulbs should really be legal for LEDs, but the law is outdated. So what about rear LED upgrades.. such as number plate and brake lights? However, I often have to drive on New Forest roads that do not have any street lighting. Do not use them. Being blinded by oncoming lights, cyclists included, is dangerous and needs to be clamped down on. Therefore, LED conversion bulbs remain non- compliant. Im not convinced this is still the case, according to the latest docs, swapping out the halogen bulbs to HID or LEDs and the fitment should be failed. Other countries dont hold such strict standards and checks, so its more common for those to be less reliable. Your bulbs and service have been excellent. It seemed to take ages to reach me, but only when it was within about 50 metres did I work out it was a cyclist doing what seemed to be a steady 10mph. In fact, it is the opposite! Thats just not going to happen. The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations were written in 1989 and are British regulations; the more recent UNECE regulations take precedence. That doesnt mean it was manufactured or tested in that country, it just means that the country signed it off as meeting the requirements. [shall have] An approval mark or a British Standard mark, (b) A motor vehicle first used before 1st April 1986: When vehicles that are high off the ground adjust this setting, it can often blind other road users. The entire unit will need to be replaced! As long as the beam pattern and the colour of the light is correct then there is no reason an LED upgrade bulb will fail an MOT. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp. to Some motorcycles may be fitted with high intensity discharge (HID) or light emitting diode (LED) headlamps. It IS Illegal to use any of these bulbs in Halogen or projector headlight units that use an H7 fitment. The only thing that changed in January 2021 was the MOT testing regulations. She also commented on my too blueish color of me reverse light LEDs, but I still kept my earlier approval (afterwards I managed to find bulbcolor LED festoon replacements in 3000K just to be sure). If they have to check approval marks on bulbs, they would have to do this for every component on the car! As long as theyre fitted correctly he wont blind anyone. You dont mention the very cost effective replacement LED headlamps that cost around 80 each.These are invariably are marked E9 so legal to install. It is just an on/off switch, whether one or all four indicator bulbs are working you should always have any dash repeaters working irrespective of which type of bulb is fitted. Why, why do we need this tech. To have to change back to halogen bulbs now will be a retrograde step and the regulations need to be brought up to date rapidly to allow for the improvement in reliability and vision that LED technology provides. These idiots should be severely jumped on by the Police and Testing Stations. This is because, due to the close proximity of the extra bright area, our eyes (irises) will automatically close down (using camera terminology, they would stop-down by several f-stops) vastly reducing our night vision and the older we get, the greater this affects us! According to the legislation in order to get enough light output for a stop light, you would need a minimum of 15 watts. They are pretty much the same headlight that is on the newer minis. Usually, it would be a 1212 grid of LEDs as an indicator so the 382 would never be used. Factory fitted LEDs are road legal because they are built for the vehicle they are fitted to. For example, the legislation doesnt take new technologies into account. Thats it. 4.1.4 Headlamps Compliance with requirements Sentence changed from Some motorcycles may be fitted with high intensity discharge (HID) headlamps. In my opinion the car in unsafe to drive in nighttime conditions. Sellers easily forget info like this helps build a brand. There should be simple to understand rules. LED bulbs just flood the headlight with light far more brighter than the specified output therefore the light reflects into the eyes of oncoming motorists and also in your rear view mirror behind which can be very blinding. Because if done right, that is what you get with a quality LED light. Fitting a 5/6 led always give a lower brightness, is that because the filament is not in the correct place for the lens ? I too am intrigued about this Subject I have fitted LED upgrades in my 2006 Volvo S40 which has projector headllights with halogen bulbs as standard. Cheap bulbs are the problem, or incorrectly fitted bulbs. Even new cars with LED light technology are seriously brightBMW, Porsche, Mercedes to name a few. I do agree with the majority on this forum that poor quality bulbs are the bane of progress here. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp.. To us this seems like a very wasteful idea. The worst offenders, from personal observation, appear to be BMW mini, Volvo SUVs, Mercedes SUVs, Range Rover and Discovery vehicles, but they are not the only ones. If you want to upgrade to led find something that has a small, dot-like led or same size as the spiraling filament of the halogen. On the subject of sealed units, these were available inthe sixties and seventies, but were replaced with bulb units due to cost. Existing halogen headlamp units should not be converted to be used with HID or LED bulbs. I find it very very disconcerting that this review of LED aftermarket bulbs supports the use of them. This is a brand new update that seems to only focus on headlights. ALL of the LED bulbs that Ive tried/experienced have the same major flaw, in that they light up the foreground by too much! My car actually uses the very same bulb for both dip and full beam which is also a step back. (ie. My car is 17 years old and even with aftermarket headlights they are dimmer than most modern cars led headlights, Im actually upgrading to be more safe and to see where Im going, not to blind people.

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